Pandora Vs. Slacker, Round One

Written Jan. 12, 2009 by Tom Webster in Internet Radio + Technology with 10 Comments

I was in the mood for a little Prog Rock over the weekend, so I dialed up Pandora to build a station around Yes. I did not list any songs on purpose, in order to keep it broad and see what the Pandoramator would come up with. Here was the first hour it gave me:

  • Long Distance Runaround - Yes
  • Spirit of Radio - Rush
  • Welcome To The Machine - Pink Floyd
  • The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway - Genesis
  • Circus of Heaven - Yes
  • In Your Eyes - Peter Gabriel (tried to skip, couldn't)
  • Survival - Yes
  • Sheep - Pink Floyd
  • Strawberry Fields Forever - Beatles
  • Turn It On Again - Genesis

So, a pretty good mix--I wanted to skip "In Your Eyes," but had used up the number of skips allowed by Pandora's license and had to suffer through. Still, it was mostly true to my (largely unstated) desire to hear a little prog rock. "Circus of Heaven" is not my favorite Yes song by any stretch, but Strawberry Fields actually sounded pretty cool in this mix.

On a lark, I tried the same exercise with Slacker Premium Radio (which, apples to oranges, does allow unlimited skipping of unwanted tracks,) once again only providing the group (Yes) and letting the computer do the rest. Here was Slacker's Prog Rock offering:

  • It/Watcher of the Skies - Genesis
  • Glad - Traffic
  • Memory Lain, Hugh/Headloss - Caravan
  • Sheep - Pink Floyd
  • Question - Moody Blues
  • From the Beginning - ELP
  • Teacher - Jethro Tull
  • Save Some Time For Thee - Family
  • Script For A Jester's Tear - Marillion
  • Owner of a Loney Heart - Yes

While the lone Yes track Slacker delivered was a bit of a clunker (or, at least, not quite the 'prog rock' I was hoping for,) I found this hour to be fascinating--some familiar songs from familiar artists (the ELP, Jethro Tull and Moody Blues tracks), some lost classics ("Glad"), a brilliantly welcome live version of "It/Watcher of the Skies" and a very, very deep track from Caravan. Certainly, 20 songs is too small a sample size, so I'll repeat this exercise a few times this week before drawing any broader conclusions. For slaking my questionable jones for Prog Rock yesterday, however, I found the Slacker hour a bit more interesting and varied, and certainly a bit more on point--albeit a good deal less familiar than the Pandora offering.

In fairness, I could have tweaked either playlist slightly by deleting songs, adding artists and so on to give the Pandora and Slacker algorithms a bit more of a clue to the mood I was in. Slacker guessed a bit more correctly what I wanted to hear, but with only one group as input, I'll chalk that up to a random walk for now. Still, the key to mass acceptance and adoption of services like Pandora and Slacker will be how they work "out of the box" with little, if any, input by mainstream listeners. With that criteria in mind, the Pandora offering was far and away more compelling, featuring more tracks by my core artist, more hit singles, and more familiarity in general.

So, that said, what has your experience been with both services? Let's have a face-off here in the comments! Post your sample hours (10 tracks) from each along with your "liner notes" and make your case! I can't wait to see what you come up with.

Reader Comments

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1  David Irwin on January 12, 2009 2:06 PM

Hey Tom.

I can't answer your question fully as I just discovered Slacker a week or two ago. So far, I've only used its prebuilt stations which are pretty outstanding.

I've been on Pandora for a number of years now and am a big fan. It's interesting to hear it walk down a path until you tell it that you don't like the direction it's heading. It's like a puppy checking out how far it can go before you call it back.

I have noticed that if you listen to the same Pandora station for a few hours, you start to hear the same songs repeated (not in the same order). I'd think that they'd have enough material to work with where that wouldn't happen, but it does.

2  Roger on January 14, 2009 5:45 PM

Hi Tom:

Interesting drag race results. I've used both products and I am now a die hard Slacker fan. I respect Pandora's success but my experience was a limited playlist for my genre and it seemed that no matter what artist I started with, an hour later Meatloaf "Bat Out of Hell" would play.

My starting artists at different times were Little Feat, Grateful Dead, Billy Cobham and Neil Young. Pandora's playlist for these artists often brought up the same 3 or 4 songs and I got burned out quickly. I found Last.fm had more depth, especially with the jazz fusion.

Now as it relates to Slacker, I'm curious what your options settings were since this can greatly affect the mix of artists. Where Pandora brought up the more recognized songs in your test, Slacker went way deeper. The Options settings are unique from what I've seen from other stream providers and I think this is what will also really set Slacker apart from their competition.

For me that means a lot more variety and a welcome surprise to hearing a song I really did forget about.

Personally, I've created my own custom playlist on Slacker and do not allow for any new artists to be suggested, only songs from the ones I've selected.

I also just added the app to my Blackberry and it's great. I consider myself to be very particular and hard to satisfy but since I can customize my playlist only with artists I select, then further tweak with the Options, and make it portable, the only thing left is a connection to my car which I have to believe is only a matter of time.

Here's my playlist:

http://www.slacker.com/?sid=stations/9406213/1226009478

Enjoy!

Roger

3  Damian on January 21, 2009 1:29 AM

I have used both services for many hours. My wife has as well. She likes both services a great deal, and we both enjoy them over last.fm or any other internet streaming radio service we have sampled.

Between the two we find Pandora's interface easier and quicker to use. She hands down enjoys Pandora but aside from the slicker interface I enjoy Slacker. It provides more station tweeking options and less repeats which is great. Even still I like Pandora more because it did NOT have audio ads like Slacker does. However, since Pandora is adding audio ads similar to Slacker it makes it a much closer battle. They both have iPhone Applications now as well. Ultimately I think Slacker with the $3 a month fee is probably the best option of any internet radio, with Pandora as the closest second.

4  Jack Tee on January 21, 2009 5:20 PM

Does anyone know if Slacker has a "quick mix" option like Pandora, whereby all of your stations are mixed together? Thanks

5  Gusto on August 19, 2009 4:41 PM

For a long time I was a Pandora user and fan. Had never heard of Slacker -show you how much I know. Last month Pandora cut me off in the middle of the month wanting me to pay them. This month when Pandora cut me off I discovered they had competition. Signed up for Slaker and will never go back to Pandora. Not only for the money. The depth of selection in my "categories" (Country and Latin) is very, very limited @ Pandora.

6  Uber Falcon on August 20, 2009 7:08 PM

I've been bouncing back and forth for a couple of months. I prefer the Pandora UI. Slacker definitely has deeper mixes. I like Pandora's price, currently cheaper by $0.99/mo.

Unfortunately, here is the deal breaker for me. Slackers "outages" are becoming annoying. Almost daily. Sometimes lasting half-a-day at a time. Growing pains? Maybe.

I guess I'll keep using the free services for a bit longer until something shakes out in the reliability department.

7  Timmay on September 17, 2009 10:09 PM

I love music... but NOT like most people. I'm bored and distracted, and I don't care enough. Mostly, I don't even listen to music! CD's and MP3's are too much trouble and lack diversity. I hate knowing the depth of the playlists and can't be bothered to do anything about it. I hate the radio, the ADS! For five years (2004-09) I listened to XM, and loved it.... I thought. It irritated me, but never enough to listen to FM! Sometimes I'd go back to silence for a week or more at a time. There were few stations and they mixed material within a station in such a way that I could not tolerate. Sometimes I'd flip between two stations, searching for change, and the VERY SAME SONG would be playing on both!!!!! WHAAAAT!?!?! XM is gone now. I bought an iPhone and am trying out this internet radio thing. I love that anything, absolutely anything, could come up next. Old songs. Unpopular songs. Brand new hit songs. Thats what I liked about XM. But now I have more choice. Now I can customize. I started with Pandora and was happy.... but as I booed and cheered songs the station drifted further from what I wanted. I made a new station... started ok but got worse and worse as I went. Tried slacker. YES! Real human people have been here, I know it, I can tell! Ahhh, to hell with FM, XM, and all else. Slacker provides the best experience for me by a long margin. Unknown playlists that excite and don't wander just can't come from the Pandora computers or from the sickly limited xm stations.

8  somaji on November 26, 2009 12:08 PM

I have been using Slacker and Pandora on my blackberry phone for quite some time now. I have noticed a few very subtle differences (in addition to posted above).

To be fair, I input the same artist on both apps. Slacker gives me more variety on the channel than Pandora. Pandora's music choices are more similar to the category than Slacker.

Slacker starts up faster, caches more streaming music than Pandora. I can, if I choose to, cache a station on my 16gb microSD for listening while offline. Pandora has no option for that. Slacker also as a windows application which is helpful to Slack around almost everywhere. It also surpasses (not by much) Pandora's sound quality.

Pandora has a much simpler menus making it easier to use. I also like the background information on the artist as the song is playing.

I still haven't made a decision on which one is better. Wait, do I have to? I surely hope that both advance to a point where art of music becomes the central theme instead of features.

9  D Buzz on January 1, 2010 8:25 PM

I can't tell you how much better either Pandora's or Slacker's interface is, or about the selection. I will admit that I have been a pandora listener for the past 6 mos. I only noticed slacker because I was researching blu ray players. I think the music is okay...but the biggest difference between the two is Pandora plays louder on my computer than Slacker. In fact I just gave slacker a test run and I was like, "is this thing up all the way?" I just went to the pandora site and it was at a more suitable volume.

10  music on February 10, 2010 9:27 AM

Hi!
Pandora and Slacker radio is not available in my country - Portugal.
I have found tv243.com a great alternative for it.

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